I have been away so long, yet it is all the same
Well, well,
I have been away from things for a while and even considered giving up on this blogging lark. (Not that I was that regular with posts anyway)
Also it seems to be the same old things going round and round in cycles or just on and on in a mindless line.
T4G caused a storm by adding one sentence at the end of their Conference Statement which got many egalitarians in a fluster, but then when aren't egalitarians in a fluster?
They seem surprised/indignant that anyone would have the temerity to point out that ignoring Gods clear teaching in the scriptures concerning the leadership of His church should be designated as potentially harming the witness of the Gospel.
They, as always, seem equally mortified that not everyone is falling in to line with their mis-interpretation, or outlandish (in a few cases) mis-reading, of scripture.
Wild claims are made about certain Greek words which, in their eyes, don't really mean what every one thought they did for the last 2000 years.
Ann Nyland is a case in point. According to her
'Anthropos has no male nuances, no male overtones, and has nothing to do with maleness'
Yet in Thayer "in regards to sex, a male"
Also see the following from the Septuagint:
Deuteronomy 17:5. "Then you shall bring out that anthropos or that woman, and you shall stone them with stones"
Deuteronomy 22:24. "They shall be stoned with stones, and they shall die, the young woman, because she did not cry out in the city, and the anthropos, because he violated his neighbor's wife."
There is much more evidence that there is indeed a male componenent to the word 'Anthropos'.
She also trys to claim that 'Aner' primarily means 'a person generally'.
Yet the main meanings of 'Aner' are; with reference to sex
1) of a male
2) of a husband
3) of a betrothed or future husband
4) with reference to age, and to distinguish an adult man from a boy
5) any male
6) used generically of a group of both men and women
These statements by Ann Nyland can be found in her book 'More than meets the eye' which has found enthusiastic support from some in the egalitarian camp, but then it says what they want to hear, so it must be true.
This is just the tip of an incredibly large iceburg which seems to be built upon the premise of 'we don't want these words to mean what they do, so they must mean something else'.
The material coming from the complimentarian side is of a much higher quality and does not stoop to the name calling that is evidenced in Ann Nylands book and in other works from the egalitarian camp.
There are of course elements on both sides of the fence who should not be given any space at all in a reputable debate and who are only out to cause offence.
Unfortunately there are many who are presented by egalitarians as being of the 'cream' who still resort to personal attacks and blanket denials in there work and articles.
For a balanced and well referenced work you would find it very hard to beat Wayne Grudem's book called: 'Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth'.
Other authors to seek out are Thomas Schreiner, Bruce Ware, Andreas Kostenberger, Nancy Leigh DeMoss, Susan T Foh, Richard Hove, Carolyn Mahaney, Susan Hunt, Sharon James, William D Mounce to name just a few.
I will come back to this in another post
I have been away from things for a while and even considered giving up on this blogging lark. (Not that I was that regular with posts anyway)
Also it seems to be the same old things going round and round in cycles or just on and on in a mindless line.
T4G caused a storm by adding one sentence at the end of their Conference Statement which got many egalitarians in a fluster, but then when aren't egalitarians in a fluster?
They seem surprised/indignant that anyone would have the temerity to point out that ignoring Gods clear teaching in the scriptures concerning the leadership of His church should be designated as potentially harming the witness of the Gospel.
They, as always, seem equally mortified that not everyone is falling in to line with their mis-interpretation, or outlandish (in a few cases) mis-reading, of scripture.
Wild claims are made about certain Greek words which, in their eyes, don't really mean what every one thought they did for the last 2000 years.
Ann Nyland is a case in point. According to her
'Anthropos has no male nuances, no male overtones, and has nothing to do with maleness'
Yet in Thayer "in regards to sex, a male"
Also see the following from the Septuagint:
Deuteronomy 17:5. "Then you shall bring out that anthropos or that woman, and you shall stone them with stones"
Deuteronomy 22:24. "They shall be stoned with stones, and they shall die, the young woman, because she did not cry out in the city, and the anthropos, because he violated his neighbor's wife."
There is much more evidence that there is indeed a male componenent to the word 'Anthropos'.
She also trys to claim that 'Aner' primarily means 'a person generally'.
Yet the main meanings of 'Aner' are; with reference to sex
1) of a male
2) of a husband
3) of a betrothed or future husband
4) with reference to age, and to distinguish an adult man from a boy
5) any male
6) used generically of a group of both men and women
These statements by Ann Nyland can be found in her book 'More than meets the eye' which has found enthusiastic support from some in the egalitarian camp, but then it says what they want to hear, so it must be true.
This is just the tip of an incredibly large iceburg which seems to be built upon the premise of 'we don't want these words to mean what they do, so they must mean something else'.
The material coming from the complimentarian side is of a much higher quality and does not stoop to the name calling that is evidenced in Ann Nylands book and in other works from the egalitarian camp.
There are of course elements on both sides of the fence who should not be given any space at all in a reputable debate and who are only out to cause offence.
Unfortunately there are many who are presented by egalitarians as being of the 'cream' who still resort to personal attacks and blanket denials in there work and articles.
For a balanced and well referenced work you would find it very hard to beat Wayne Grudem's book called: 'Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth'.
Other authors to seek out are Thomas Schreiner, Bruce Ware, Andreas Kostenberger, Nancy Leigh DeMoss, Susan T Foh, Richard Hove, Carolyn Mahaney, Susan Hunt, Sharon James, William D Mounce to name just a few.
I will come back to this in another post
posted by Glennsp at 12:28
1 Comments:
The material coming from the complimentarian side is of a much higher quality and does not stoop to the name calling that is evidenced in Ann Nylands book and in other works from the egalitarian camp.
Yes, Glenn, there is much unnecessary name calling in Ann's book. It grieves me just as much as the same kind of name calling that occurs in statements from many in the complementarian camp.
And the level of academic scholarship varies just as much within both camps.
It would do all of us well to follow the way of Jesus, and not to call our "enemies" (let alone our brothers and sisters in Christ) names.
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